{"id":5741,"date":"2022-04-15T09:38:25","date_gmt":"2022-04-15T14:38:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/?p=5741"},"modified":"2022-04-15T09:38:25","modified_gmt":"2022-04-15T14:38:25","slug":"plastic-bags-its-an-it-depends-situation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/?p=5741","title":{"rendered":"Plastic Bags: It\u2019s an \u201cIt Depends\u201d Situation"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Or, rather, should we just skip the question?<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5745\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/?attachment_id=5745\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-2-1.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"550,367\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"plastic bags-2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-2-1-300x200.jpg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-2-1.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-5745\" src=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-2-1-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"plastic bag in tree\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-2-1-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-2-1.jpg 550w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p>The eco-blog Treehugger this week has a grouping of posts on plastic bags that\u2019s intended to leave you wondering.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps you\u2019d thought that, amidst the many complicated environmental issues, plastic bags was a no-brainer. Plastic bad, paper OK, cloth best. Not so quick, though.<\/p>\n<p>There was a <a href=\"https:\/\/www2.mst.dk\/udgiv\/publications\/2018\/02\/978-87-93614-73-4.pdf\">study<\/a> a few years ago, a very dense Life Cycle Assessment, that concluded reusable cloth bags were not a better choice than plastic bags. Their conclusion, with lots of background calculations, was that, given the resources required to make and maintain cloth bags, you had to reuse an organic cotton cloth bag up to 20,000 times in order for it to be environmentally preferable. It left us do-good well-intentioned folks scratching our heads.<\/p>\n<p>Now along comes a <a href=\"https:\/\/link.springer.com\/article\/10.1007\/s10640-022-00646-5\">study<\/a> (you can\u2019t access it easily, but the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2021\/08\/24\/style\/cotton-totes-climate-crisis.html\">Treehugger post<\/a> gives you the summary) that says another factor in favor of not banning plastic bags is, surprisingly, their reuse. The study said that, in many places where plastic bags were banned, sales of other types of plastic bags went up.<\/p>\n<p>And I\u2019ve heard this from many folks. \u201cIf plastic bags are banned,\u201d which they are now in New York State, \u201cwhat will I put my garbage in?\u201d (In NYC, our kitchens are often too small for regular size garbage pails that use those larger garbage bags.) Or \u201cwhat will I use to pick up my dog\u2019s poop with?\u201d The thinking goes that, when people don\u2019t have plastic bags from groceries, they\u2019ll have to buy kitchen garbage bags or dog poop bags.<\/p>\n<p>The pat answers are to not make as much garbage (composting cuts down a third of household garbage in my experience) or to use (supposedly) biodegradable poop bags.<\/p>\n<p>So perhaps considering plastic bags to be in the single-use plastics category is misplaced. We can, instead, put them in the double-use category. (I think I just invented that.) Never mind that, in my experience, those bags can barely last one use and, more often than not, have holes in them that tend to leak nasty stuff out when filled with garbage. And dog poop? Not goin\u2019 there.<\/p>\n<p>(Check out, btw, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/vimeo.com\/144928861\">Plastic Bag<\/a>,\u201d narrated tongue in cheek by Werner Herzog. Then again, I think it\u2019s tongue in cheek, it\u2019s sometimes a bit hard to tell with him.)<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_5754\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5754\" data-attachment-id=\"5754\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/?attachment_id=5754\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Herzog-plastic-bag-2.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"500,278\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Herzog &#8211; plastic bag &#8211; 2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Screen shot from &#8220;Plastic Bag&#8221;&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Herzog-plastic-bag-2-300x167.jpg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Herzog-plastic-bag-2.jpg\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-5754\" src=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Herzog-plastic-bag-2-300x167.jpg\" alt=\"Screen shot from &quot;Plastic Bag&quot;\" width=\"300\" height=\"167\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Herzog-plastic-bag-2-300x167.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Herzog-plastic-bag-2.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-5754\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screen shot from &#8220;Plastic Bag&#8221;<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Then there\u2019s the question of whether the environmental issues have been fully taken into account. That plastic bag vs canvas bag equation, I\u2019m pretty sure, didn\u2019t look at the related issues of ocean life \u2013 two of the parallel Treehugger posts (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.treehugger.com\/plastic-bags-packaging-most-lethal-marine-animals-5092432?utm_campaign=treehugger&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_source=cn_nl&amp;utm_content=27323435&amp;utm_term=list_gl_ot_treehugger-default\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.treehugger.com\/why-stop-using-plastic-bags-1204167?utm_campaign=treehugger&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_source=cn_nl&amp;utm_content=27323435&amp;utm_term=list_gl_ot_treehugger-default\">here<\/a>) bring up that part &#8211; or even litter. Sometimes they focus almost entirely on carbon emissions. Quantifying for objectivity is fine, and often, useful. But what about issues that are hard to quantify, perhaps because they\u2019re subjective? What\u2019s the value of a dead turtle, suffocated in a plastic bag, or a whale whose stomach is filled with bags and toothbrushes and Bic lighters? Or the esthetic cost of bags snagged in tree branches.<\/p>\n<p>And now we can add the health impacts of microplastics in humans as well as in other creatures.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5746\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/?attachment_id=5746\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/microplastics-on-finger.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"550,367\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"microplastics on finger\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/microplastics-on-finger-300x200.jpg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/microplastics-on-finger.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-5746\" src=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/microplastics-on-finger-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"microplastics on finger\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/microplastics-on-finger-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/microplastics-on-finger.jpg 550w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The carbon part of the picture is hardly irrelevant and, of course, has an additional story. As the fossil fuel industry realizes its future as a fuel is narrowing, its focus has shifted to promoting plastics as another way to boost petroleum sales. This movement was further fueled (sorry) by the pandemic which, initially at least, cut down fuel consumption by significant amounts as people commuted and traveled much less.<\/p>\n<p>And lest you want to factor in recycling, in the case of plastic bags, that\u2019s a myth. Even when you can find recycling programs that accept them, they rarely get recycled. And recycling facilities hate them because they get caught in their machines.<\/p>\n<p>So, are bans a good idea? They certainly have taken off. <a href=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/?page_id=5231\">My database<\/a> of bans and regulations has grown greatly since I began it a few years ago, though it\u2019s perhaps telling that the growth slowed considerably during the pandemic.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5752\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/?attachment_id=5752\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-3.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"550,338\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"plastic bags-3\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-3-300x184.jpg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-3.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-5752\" src=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-3-300x184.jpg\" alt=\"plastic bags in ocean\" width=\"300\" height=\"184\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-3-300x184.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ecooptimism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/plastic-bags-3.jpg 550w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>My environmental roots say \u2018hell yes,\u2019 get rid of those nasty things. But the part of me that studies Life Cycle Assessment says hang on a moment, maybe, counterintuitively, we\u2019ve got this wrong. And then my ever-split thinking counters the counter thoughts by asking if those studies really have got it right.<\/p>\n<p>It gets sooo complicated. My conclusion rests on a non-objective thought: we can\u2019t let this message get so complicated. People are confused enough about environmental issues and, along with that, overwhelmed by both the complexity and the gravity of things. We get bogged down in it, not sure what to do or even if what we can do matters. We need simple &#8211; perhaps simplistic \u2013 approaches and advice, even if perhaps plastic bags aren\u2019t as bad as many of us say; even if perhaps they\u2019re better than some of the alternatives. But the message and the public support erode when it gets unclear. 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